|Fr. Dariusz Oko|
Exclusive Toronto Catholic Witness translation of an interview granted to the Polish newspaper, wPolityce.pl. the original may be read here.
Fr. Oko gained fame for his writings on "homoheresy". His essay, "With the Pope Against the Homoheresy", may be read at Rorate Caeli. He has lectured and written about the infiltration of homosexuals into the priesthood. He has been proved correct. From the Eponymous Flower:
Two years ago, the Polish Catholic journal Fronda published a long essay, which was also taken up by the German Catholic journal Theologisches. The subject of the review was the "Homohäresie" and the existence of a "gay mafia" in the Catholic Church. The author described the existence of a network of homosexual priests at all levels of the Church hierarchy, including the Roman Curia, who cover for each other....
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Father Dariusz Oko on Fr. Charamsa: "in his pride he placed himself above the Church..."
Question (Boguslaw Rąpała): Fr. Krzysztof Charamsa has publicly announced that he is gay. And it is you, Reverend Father Professor that are the target of his sharpest attack? How do you, Father, react to this?
Answer (Fr. Dariusz Oko): After the attack on me, which was launched on Wednesday (in Tygodnik Powszechny - a liberal Catholic newspaper ed. Barona), I thought that he was gay and it was confirmed. I warned that he could end up like Fr. Węcławski, or Fr. Czajkowski and it also came true. One can see that he feels towards me a terrible hatred and he is living what he is implying against me. But as a Christian I forgive him, I pray for him; I invite him to lectures and seminars. I can see in him personality disorders, and that he needs help. If he needs a psychiatrist or psychologist, I know a few of them, and can even have his treatment covered.
Q: What does "coming out" mean in the case of a priest?
A: After the speech, one could see in Fr. Charamsa a disturbed, immature and selfish personality. It is something terrible, that he puts gay sex above God, so to speak. Even if he had these problems, such tendencies, he is still a priest there to serve the people for the most important thing; that is, to get to Heaven. For a priest this is the most important task, to which he must sacrifice everything.
Q: What is your opinion, Father, of Fr. Charmasa's view of the problems and challenges facing the Church and the world today?
A: In the article, in which he is attacking me, one sees huge gaps in knowledge, culture and methodology. He cannot even quote me correctly. For example, the statement attributed to me is not mine. It also shows a glaring lack of education. Besides that, one can also see he is mentally confused. He places on the same level the Crusades and Jihad. He does not understand that Islam was spread by violence, that it is a threat to us. He continually speaks of a language of peace, culture - perhaps he has this theological conception. You can visualize it as if we were in 1920. When the Bolsheviks attacked Warsaw, one would want to dialogue with them and invite them for tea. He cannot differentiate between atheists, with whom one can hold a discussion, and those who are deadly enemies! And today, the gender offensive is an offensive of atheists who hate the Church and they want to destroy her, annihilate her! He is unable to understand, seeming a bit infantile.
He has not grown out of the childish notion of a God who only caresses and soothes. He places himself somehow above Christ, because he thinks you cannot use demanding language, yet Jesus spoke of "whitewashed tombs", "murderers of the prophets". If the Pope speaks of genderism as a tsunami or disease, will he also oppose him, and claim that he cannot speak that way. This is childishness, an infantile conception of theology. This infantilism has led him to be lost and has become a personal catastrophe. The poor man, I feel sorry for him. We must pray for him, but his case also shows what homosexuality is, to what hatred a homosexual can go, and how badly it can distort one's personality.
Q: The Vatican has now removed Fr. Charamsa from his positions.
A: I have to say, that I have a charism in identifying fallen priests. A number of times when I had a conflict with a priest, and I was criticized or attacked by him, then after a few months it came out my way. It was that way with Drewermann in Germany, when I said that he is outside the Church, and after a few months he confessed that he is a Buddhist. Ten years ago I was attacked by Bartoś, Obirek, later Prusak, Fr. Boniecki - they all either left the priesthood, or were sanctioned. Fr. Charamsa committed an incredible manipulation, which could have implied that I was being critiqued by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and yet he was doing it as an employee for his own purposes. Besides attacking me, he struck at the Episcopate, teachers, theologians and philosophers who support me, or at least do not criticize me. He presented himself, in his pride above the Episcopate, above teachers, above the Church. His poor, disturbed personality has led him to disaster.
Q: How can it be explained that a priest with such a disturbed personality and such an infantile theological conception - as you Father-Professor specify - could work for so many years in the high echelons of the Vatican?
A: In a similar manner that Archbishops Juliusz Petz and Jozef Wesolowski worked. There is this part of the Church that is sick. Similarly, one can ask how was it possible that the Lord Jesus tolerated Judas in the midst of the Apostles. In the hope that he would be converted? Judas as one of twelve Apostles was 8.3 percent. At thirty thousand priests in Poland that is two and a half thousand who probably live like Judases, who commit terrible things, because, unfortunately, such things are possible. But I must emphasize that the best and most beautiful thing we have is the Church. This is the greatest gift God has given us, for which one must be grateful and used as beautifully as possible, to live in this Church.
Congratulations for the interview. I translated the last question into Portuguese to my readers in my blog (thyself, o lord) and asked them to come to your blog to read the rest.
Great Father Oko.
The million $ question:
"How can it be explained that a priest with such a disturbed personality and such an infantile theological conception - as you Father-Professor specify - could work for so many years in the high echelons of the Vatican?"
Thank you for the translation. Could someone ask Fr. Oko to use his charism for identifying gay priests on Pope Francis, Fr. Lombardi, Fr. Rosica, Bishop Forte, Cardinal Baldisarri, etc.? I don't say that lightly. If the Pope has these psychological problems - where he shows clear animosity towards the "harsh and divisive" words that homosexuality is a grave disorder - he should step down.
Thank you Fr Oko for the interview.
In this Sunday's Gospel reading, Matthew 10:2-16, Jesus made it very clear on his position on the relationship between men and women. I agree with Fr Oko on the immaturity of Fr Charamsa. From what I observed, he could have been manipulated. He could have been under influence. I cannot believe that someone of his learnings would speak this way.
Regardless, as a consequence of his media stunt, he has brought great scandal and disrepute to the millions of priests and missionaries who work tirelessly and many are in the front line of danger. He has also brought embarrassment to himself and his family.
To the priests, religious and missionaries who serve the communities and the less sinners in the street everyday, I continue to hold a high regard for their vocation. It is a big sacrifice. They have responded to the call of Jesus to labor for the kingdom of heaven. I will continue to trust.
Wonderful Post Barona. When I read "The Rigging of a Vatican Synod: An Investigation into Alleged Manipulation at the Extraordinary Synod on the Family" by Edward Pentin, I felt this tremendous sense of deja vu. Why I read that in the Toronto Catholic Witness some months ago, I thought. That's a sign that you are a nurse in the field hospital of this Catholic Church, and you have your finger on the pulse of the Church. Good work.
Regarding Karl Rahner Jr's question. It is as said. There is Judas in the Church. There are many Judases. Pope Francis gave several sermons on his sadness about Judas early in his pontificate. I think he realizes that he and his papacy will be stabbed in the back by many people. We dumb laity always hope that every priest we see and hear is perfect and above reproach, but that is a very childish view of reality. Sometimes we hope to find the same perfection in conservative Catholic bloggers and are disappointed. God help me if my readers expect that. Yet, when we are disappointed, we have to simply say with Christ, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do." Or "Will you betray me with a kiss, Judas?" or my favorite (comes from my mother) Take like water off a duck's back.
God bless you. Susan Fox www.christsfaithfulwitness.com
Answer on both counts: because they're good looking men.
Father Dariusz Oko was recently convicted by a German court for preaching traditional Christian moral views!!! Here is a petition in his defense:
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